But you have
a fool for. The wonderful. All right our first item
is our north east wireless services we had
a rough draft of the language. And Bill and Brian you've been in discussion about
some of that language you know. Bill why do you think it is quite terms of your
discussion that serve our members have any questions about the language you can
make it work so I've received
a few of the comments that I really see both from the border and what they're.
Looking for some way from there with that. I'll walk you through quickly the format
that we use is the email copy to save the one that's handed out it would write for
some minor changes that are for brief to look and which just the more for the one
you distribute to some people it will work with the graphs to update the OK. To
just incorporate in. The draft right here.
I think that you just want to build with that graph wrapped up with nothing.
More you have one of the menial handstamp.
And when you're
a white one coming and. I do email to Maria from Brian Wilson
Oh it there's an email to over on it was just like yeah he Hello.
OK although. Basically the front email is so corresponded crusade from now which
we've been looted from but it's. The text or the draft decision.
We structured it is some of the normal special permits so. You know what we go
through the format with you. The first page is basically the outlook and the
representative and their contact information. Second page. Is
property information then we get into the procedural history I mean look at the
case three from the first submittal as well as the current submental because
a lot of the information that pertained to the application in as part of the record
pertaining from
a first application. So basically just to feel to stream through
. Page. What. You think. We
got into the findings. Technical stuff you know where what we're considering the
site. Short description of the personal wireless service facility
then we get into regulatory findings we go through the specials permit section of
the regulations all special permit should have this section you know. And
basically it goes through
a number of the criteria not all special permits and measurable goals such as
traffic flow. Economic or community needs. Adequacy of utilities and
other public support for the. Character of the neighborhood they'll be underlined
anything. The underlines are basically the specific criteria that we're talking
about. Section in that section and reference section.
OK. On page two more. Week then jump into the section
five by law pertaining to yourself Our if you need briefly discuss
a few of the items for Cheney to that. Then we get into the decision. And
we yes we did and I think the members and the applicant pointing out that this is
not an earth ruled and he is
a community wireless person personal wireless service facility if. And.
When this is not what basically this is the development of our first step for
decision for
a person wireless service facility. And then as we proceed basically
this is where I think we need to start focusing on the conditions that we're
talking about the ties this is the first one that we're deciding upon and I
basically grab bits and pieces of all their decisions what he was even close to
being appropriate included So you know I think you should go through these probably
one of time starting with starting with Page four bait number one.
Evidence at the start firm it has been basically these are going to be up
conditions for. Years with. In the sense that the applicant has to adhere
to. One A is evidence that the special permit has been filed with Westar County
Register of the need to present the planning board prior to the start of any
construction. B.
Is this special permit is nontransferable of any other parties listed in section
one per second for change to special per becomes invalid and you special or if
you'll be
a reformer now if you look at the applicants e-mail in the front front when.
He leaves out one B.
Is in conflict with left to six last barefoot permits one with the lady and not the
applicant. So I know we've had that condition and other permit
applications right what spend. Your experience just hasn't ever
happened where one carrier put up. Our in for whatever reason. That led to
what the other was very wrong and my business that. Even with my with in my company
that I would partner with somebody else as
a venture backer for the actual construction of this hour and they would want to
piece of this and we would set up a separate L.L.C.
For that and city. And that would require the assignment of
a special permit into that entity also. You know it's possible that
a portfolio of powers that I've developed may be sold in their entirety and I've
never seen those restriction on any tower development the most restrictive that
I've seen of Ford imposed is that I'm required to provide notice of
a sign so they know. You know who the who's responsible for the. In fact I
was when I saw the draft that goes very night to send me with trying to find
precedents for this in the state law in other formats that I could find and the
only precedent I see in other towns zoning ordinances for non transportability of
special permit is related to adult entertainment the stablish and. That's And I
guess the reason for that is because it's really specific to. Applicants
activities on the site that the sound would want to control and not make sure that
gets transferred randomly but this is an unmanned radio facility I'm not sure
how the ownership of that the Sylvie's of facts or impacts the town. You know what
do you think your eyes only deal with yourself. And I know.
And especially for me it is those days are best for me I'm like
a variant maybe condition I live in
a new generation to return to the applicant technically is first of all it is noted
that if it doesn't go with the way I am like a variant on
a magically if you please if air. You know that's forever pretty much on the ground
special for me it's not it's not automatic that if we
change of ownership that doesn't mean that you can't put it in their state. That
upon ownership just not to teach like
a man just one you just think to me I don't I would want to see you know that
president for example like him if you feel it would not work for you. That's
your right. Being had
a really not special permit that you're seeking Grannis was the V.A.
Could still special permit for the use and when they changed ownership be required
to come back to the board to transfer that special form so I would like something
with
a place not necessarily never told you that you're in. At least something. To
compete. On
a ship to be you know. Which
is not right OK. Yeah but we have heard
that over the last meeting and I thought that was going to be one of the but it was
concerned that if we could have Ron she would know who to contact right and that we
all agreed that yes we should have
a special condition that. All of your family contact at any one time and if it's
a change of ownership. And that information would also be. Part of the condition
part of the condition but I don't think they do every time I think you're stupid
Wilson is
a yes or no cell towers it is true you know the. One big firm can buy out another
big for no one acquire them and all this and they have to come back in with
a special Another hearing everything basically that nothing's going to change to
the tower it's right there so what would the wording be for this condition. If you
cannot pollute this ticket at any time that the this already is. Any of the parties
listed as sexual under section for change that the child who was community
development or Michelle forthwith be so notified in writing without phone numbers
email or I can still hear about a person with
a permit transfer. Permit transfer
with you. I rather see it automatic interest for
a good sits there like you said for the last one for the project was for the cell
tower for the cell towers granted under special. Or by laws of the proper section
and that will change that still existing still in force all conditions can still be
enforced and enforceable as well help and I agree with what will be your saying
I just think you need to be whether it's just
a simple form you. Know on then you're going to have
no fees. And the other question is going to be where you quit for public you
are. Basically like you know one of the concerns of the neighborhood being that we
information public key to notify somebody so if we were to get some kind of
beautification somebody would be my new board agent with billing department to
verify that all that information has been changed accordingly because I'm you know
on the fence at the. Moment so there's going to have to be
a side with all the information I should be However access to the police department
sorry for making that change and that again just something some way to do it again
doesn't have to be a lengthy process just
a matter of form or some kind of note if you. Have.
A trigger is to be seen so if we're going to take safely you want. I'm worried your
condition you know read the reviews for me from the wound to the troops already in
place. But I. Agree.
Here I think I think to your point there should be
a single point of contact whether an A B.
A butter police and fire or
a future building inspector any place bank or in the future some sense I want to
know what you know have that good animal research copy the special permit Where is
it who is at this point of contact and that should be probably ten or Douglas who
is planning or community development that's who wish we issued
a special permit so it should be somewhere in the files or archives of the language
. I'm sorry if I may decide to revise draft I just sort of thought about this I
thought maybe I did revised reference and then give some input but what I'm
thinking is that it would say if any of the parties with new section one through
for change then the appropriate information changes in one group or shall be posted
with the planner prior to any such assignment are still.
Posted So if you've got this you hear that indicate through all the contacts are
right if I change any of these I'm going to post make the changes on the work
similar form and give it to the planner prior to any such transfer to me David you
mentioned sort of
a form of the symbol form to get all the changes correct and then and then we
submit the people of this minute to keep it I reckon for if you're planning more
members. OK Steve nothing representable along with the prime you
rather than you know that you have been married for families of the time for.
That's not information also among us and we were pretty frightening in any changes
. In that year has posted with Mark. Records when you look at scoring or
getting any kind of you know this one right. After this the violinist you get I
mean you know for so you know you know at least once a year you. Always have
a scene in in with you next year let's own up to it well. Yeah.
OK Tell us more as we all know where that point of contact is so the bill you've
been scribbling away there on the surface so we go with Laurie which the Bryant
report poster said is that yes I think that's essential information the contacts
and everything right OK Well I have to talk about registering with the top clerk as
we can if I'm that at the end that's fine as opposed to the plate worrying if
you're looking out into here that building is probably Berfield. OK Right I have to
ask the question to the board what's the board's objection to leaving it the way it
is. And when something changes it comes back to the board.
For a new special permit Yeah so what's the problem with that I mean that's
a late the involved process I think it's unnecessary just like why do you mean
doesn't this just going to be passed from one thousand nine hundred of our eyes or
something like that somebody else is going to operate it it's an assignment to
another company A buys about or whatever everyone's concerns that I listened to was
to make sure it gets done and who do we contact and who gets notified distances
well you can search through it here this is pretty simple in my viewpoint. I don't
think it issuance of any keeps the time. Informed up to date and
so would the other special some of the other conditions you just discussed. And I
believe this has more teeth than the other. Just notify somebody.
Yeah on
a cell tower it was just built operating I know it well you know it just sits there
. And we hope and we. You know bridges are built and disposed to just that
doesn't always happen special permit still in effect if they change or want to
change any condition or anything here they would have to come back to the board and
ask for an amendment to the special permit or even
a new one at that point and what do we do say no that's
a pain in the ass we don't do for you permits once there if you. Know if there's
a change in the structure or its size or height or something and that's already
visible change you know that's already handled in the. Original agreement just
a transfer of ownership is
a sure doesn't get I think it's going to all special permit process here just
because somebody else bought it if they want to change something my feeling is the
town has more control over if you keep it under the special program and not just
put it on
a baps shelf somewhere and. Hopefully the building inspector of the town clerk gets
a notice. What I'm going to think that's inspection and the transfer. I'm
deeply personal the board. And we have notified we are aware of it.
But the special permit goes in the lab goes on the structure to talk about the
transfer. Not according to
a building inspector who doesn't want to go out with Dorian. I think what usually
you may or may write exactly. Just or not to give
a special permit unlike
a variance is not automatically transferred you can assume I go there it's
a variance you can sell your you can go for a variance get a variance to build
a house or non-conforming lot you can sell
a house ninety five times and it doesn't matter that the area stays with only
special permits not like that but what I said was you can in your conditions.
Make it simpler like Mr Olson Yes You know it was suggested like we talked about
you there is some kind of notification rather example. Of how it has gone
retail retail they have to in and notify us of
a change of ownership per se but it's not
a whole change of use changes are you can see it's the same type of use so it's the
same type of occupancy but they still have to notify you of that change of use
because. You know people assume that just because
a business use can be dug into our lives in
a couple of farms it does not stand acquirements So we have to do
a change of use even though it's still two businesses just because you're changing
ownership you want to make sure that you ownership is aware of what three arguments
are so there has to be something put in place for that and I'd assume that you can
on
a man I think you know you may sell to sprint or who are already houses that nasally
many with six more intends on well that's not really the case you want to make sure
. First time I've seen the ownership also has the condition and it probably is no
surprise you know what there are so there's some kind of notification to the board
to the special permit granting it's already as well as the enforcement person which
would be. So in order being in force they only just
like these numbers and see if they were found to do it for guess if they forget to
change the sign or change in the case number and for the fire department did not
meet his fire or whatever and they and they had to act that you want to make sure
that all of those things that we have on as
a permanent condition are transferred so if you look in letter B.
Now. If you took out that first sentence the special permits nontransferable if you
just deleted that and you began with. Say the parties listed as section one through
four change. This something to the fact that the special permit may transfer but
only. After going through
a process. Et cetera et cetera by the planning board so it's not necessarily have
to start the whole public hearing it again but that there is something in place
that before the special permits is transferred that there be proper notification or
something like follow their eyes by the prince for
a fall of zero point four So it's not a public hearing per se but at least you get
a letter where you know the change is called. We think about that right well
my only concern is implicit in the way it's worded now with
a special permit and even less arise upon approval of the planning board implicit
in that is that the planning board can restrict my business activities and maybe
that's where you're trying maybe that's the intention that you know my free
exchange of business assets could be restricted by the Planning Board. I'm not
trying to say that you shouldn't have the information that you seek I think that's
a great idea but if I provide notice of who would be asking me is prior to
any transfer to whoever the town's egg designates then I think I've accomplished
your goal of just making sure that you have contact to reach the fire department
does or anybody else does to know who the point of contact is if anybody changes
but if we had that sort of they were either sort of an L.
Word about it transfers. With approval the planning board or whatever you could
still do all of that stuff you know said that information to the can be developed
a partner in the play but would still get it so if we simply worded it that special
person
a transfer or with approval of the planning board how is that more. Burdensome that
is what you want to do. Well anytime I see the word approval right implies that
there could be no no for it OK It's actually very. He's losing certain freedoms to
run a business well not necessarily as a hawk it's a hook has got
a hook if you sit in there saying you special permit or we're not say that though.
I thought your vanilla thing was OK but it delves I think pretty clear that you
can't. Get special permits can't. Run they're not adequate
not automatic So how do you how do you word it so it's clear to the applicant
that the special permit is not automatic from quarter to Holder why would we want
to be why can't we say that right in the condition that it was over the land that
according to her own is not right and we could make it one destructive or been
restless three of which she's already read or two new words to assess three of her
in the go ahead and apply for me I don't have to do the play know how many people
can we do. And. I mean I don't know if if the book says that
especially for purposes I was not asked for it will. Become fans who were thinking
I know it doesn't say that and that is you're not I'm at right there you go OK you
mean me so I mean I know you hate whenever someone down their property they think
variance where they don't have to go back to the. Writing of Mary especially they
have to go back in May you know to find any class to transfer So if we simply said
. Special permit. Is transferable after notification to the play board of
acts that takes away your approval word. Is that enough Yeah I.
Mentioned you haven't heard that one word. Transfer when you let out
a simple one page How do you think your first before that to be. A must play must
be notified within thirty days after the transfer that's that's fine with me too
but. So if we did that the wording was if we took out approval and put notification
Yeah and I'm quoting with prior notification I'm fine with thirty days prior
notification I I think that's reasonable that's fine that's fine with me them
doesn't have
a bone let's call them. Let's just say to be out of commission for more years and
you know that all the right are now in writing you know what let me just read what
I have said if any of the parties listed in sections one through for change then
this special permit may transfer upon prior notification by the applicant or
changes in writing in order for in writing.
This is not mine but if we get to Cuba look at what you said
a lot of what you think that OK with everybody anymore no. A right you want
a full blown special permit process for
a public hearing I'm just curious as to what. Subsets the board Well I think
the sense is that the use of the land as a J.P.G.
. So why do you need full bore in special for me when in fact the use of the land
is to change especially if you have
a. Cooperative That's the usual way. And if it's going to stay
a gravel operation goes well and you stance and she. Well you've got
a cell tower this is pretty passive. It's not changing at all so why go through the
all special permit process percent. This is
a cheat sheet I know you're assuming that's not changing. The scenario put up
multiple antennas it's
a recital that would change the nature of the original special purpose if the
original value of to put up more than this that's covered in Tehran anyway well
throughout to even one of the things I read whatever the federal rules and
regulations whatever were there allowed to I think six arrays are telling us
certain number as long as they don't exceed whatever you know so it's going to
change. My viewpoint is I would rather have
some teeth available to me just in case something changed. That.
From our from and I'm trying to take the town's viewpoint you know no offense to Mr
Wilson but he wants what he wants and. I feel that I
have to sit here and look into the future and plan for the town and that may not
necessarily make it easier for Mr Wilson.
And I say so. But from what I'm hearing is. I
have a feeling that in the not too distant future it could become
a problem because there seemed I would think the less specific you get the more
chances of things falling through the cracks the more loopholes will be found to do
something and I I don't know what. I feel that if I had my
choice I rather have. More teeth available to me should I choose in the
future to half or being or even be in
a position where I feel I have to use them I don't want to use them if I don't have
them I can't use what let's take this hypothetical let's say that team
a local cell to cell tower temporizing. You know if we do B.S.
Threat we don't fight all the voters. A special permit public hearing
and the guy makes
a presentation and says nothing's changed nothing's changed I guess you could stamp
it that night. What would you have the opportunity in case some to did
change but the wording of
a special permit is such that if it does change. Then they have to come back pretty
special permit anyway. If it changes beyond the parameters of the original special
permit so you're still if it rise into sight they're going to do something
something so they still have to have
a special per that that's what it says what my my contention is by loosening this
up there is more there's more chance for it to move off
into some very slow. And pretty soon we wake up and say hey what's that I didn't
know that was a. Little thing at
a time. I'm not sayin I'm saying maybe after ten changes of ownership
something changes no big deal each one. Right David what do you think
but B.
I would like to hear what Ellen has written fully let me know OK. If any of the
parties listed in section one were section for change. Then this special permit may
transfer upon prior notification in writing for the Play board all changes made.
Within thirty days within thirty days. Of. Running rampant interest yeah.
That's fine with me and I say we want to the next want to take
a vote on this. We haven't. Heard all of this stuff here.
But I agree with you it apparently doesn't change OK when how about you I agree
with Mark. I don't have what I
want you have. A proven move on OK Well well well well. Sort of by consensus except
for one I think that you worry this is all going to vote on separately at the end
yeah what do you think Stevie Wonder's done or if you want to play not with that
kind of story thirty days prior when I logged in with him you might think it's more
like. What you know as you. Know I'm.
OK so let's see that. Inspection of the operation may be made at any reasonable
hours by an agent of the board. Which more.
Or I think. That's I assumption I would change it myself I would change it to the
twenty board and boy. OK Next one built date erosion
control measures shall be implemented as indicated on the grounds which I don't
think they showed any and as
a necessary by the plane the board agent still didn't interrupt the reason for.
Writing that's not that would get the maximum grade of any sites but with the next
day surely. Come from within the area shall be three to one thirty three
percent. And no vertical side slope through the port of one horizontal should
extend more than ten feet vertically without having
a ten foot wide bench you know the math minimum pitch of two percent storm water
generated from the special not discharge onto
a bonding properties that's obviously originating from an earth ruled condition but
they may have some side slopes when they construct the plateau which is why I
wanted to leave in the three to one stuff. If I may because I wasn't sure if I was
going to change after the young excavation languished but to minimize the amount of
vegetation we have to take out we would generally do your side story for the
excavation as opposed to
a step slow Were we have over excavated significant here it so I don't know if
that's something to do is allow So we would have vertical wall is our use our.
Short vertical wall poles to
a step step down excavation. That's that you are but that
does not. Yes that's not birth with this is talking about primarily use birth and
slopes OK so if you have
a retaining wall or something along those lines. You know if it exceeds certain
heights I'm sure there is. A structural issue doesn't apply to conduction which And
that's where OK Trying to this would be finished grade side slopes OK.
OK Well you also I mean. OK Bill carry any proposed work that is under the
jurisdiction of the conservation must obtain
a permit as required by the what was the connecting of the rivers the docks not.
The application shall ensure safety in continued figure access to the project site
during the entire duration of the project. OK I doubt. I could see
something more than just
a reasonably high tech and that's not mean to mention how to run the towers for
emergency and I think that means brain. Damage the act. Of and
I should write for you was what's happened at other sites in terms that people seem
able to well drive up and take a look at them I mean for sites where we have
a key to access off the road it's
a combination walk that's on there and we provide that combination to safety
officials and how about in the this particular case the boss of the site we are not
proposing any access will be
a padlock on the chain link fence surrounding the coffin on they're going to have
to provide that combination to any so official as you deem necessary to have it be
a combination lock also you know. Mark you had your hand up
yeah same to tell I don't I don't understand it to ration of the project phrase
there I didn't think it applied to something like this I thought that it should
have access as long as the cell towers. Existant there should be an access to
a good meeting Tigrane
a permit. To protest. To get one.
Right now you leasing the hundred one hundred and the road in. The road but road it
is just access not for the building race. Will be you have
a need to know so yes OK So that will be that that will remain this thread.
OK but he also did she. Call each nuisance the Africanist responsible to
ensure that those it's conditions do not necessarily limited to the following do
not exist in and around the site as
a result of the construction operation. The applicant shall at all times use
reasonable means to minimize inconvenience to residents in the general area. One.
Hours the hours of operation of for any construction activity sensational be
between seven am and seven pm Monday through Friday eight am and five pm on
Saturdays and no work shall be allowed on site Sundays or holidays as recognized by
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to dos the outlook H.L.
Implement does control operations. Excuse me and it approve me under
whatever necessary or when directed by the planning agent even though other work on
the project may be suspended methods of controlling dust shall meet all your
pollutant standards as support by federal and state regulatory agencies three ROIs
the applicant shell implement measures to ensure that noise does not exceed
acceptable levels Sept fourth by federal and state regulatory agencies the out of
control she said excessive loud activities were directed by the inevitable
migration the African shelf implement the necessary controls for sure that
regulation does not create
a nuisance for cows or the property for. Eleazar. Or play Agent able to.
Carry out all these responsibilities we have paid practically in the interim for
well he's got to know he's here just like rationing here. In
America that. To me that's the traffic the applicant shot implement necessary
traffic safety control structure safe and convenient vehicular access in and around
cite any traffic issues that occur as
a result of site operations and construction shall be mitigated immediately at the
expense of the applicant additional traffic mitigation measures may be required if
necessary or as directed by the planning agent complaints all complaints related to
the above or otherwise shall be logged in tracked by the planing agent complaints.
It will be brought to the attention of the planning board as necessary and the
complaint complaints are found to be repetitive nature and continue with no
medication in the opinion of any board may constitute
a violation of these conditions and may be grounds for a stop order or
a partial stop work. That's
a nuisance section. I the board may revoke this permit for
violations of any terms of this or this I'm sorry. I thought that's your life yes
may. Be just that it yeah. The
boss may revoke his probation for violations of any terms of this permit. That's it
redundant also. For any violations of any terms
provided that it shall offer the applicant and the operator an opportunity for
hearing provided prior to revocation of the permit the board may choose to suspend
this permit without
a hearing in the event of an imminent danger to public health safety or safety
prior to here to
a hearing on whether to revoke the permit Jay burial trash stumps debris on site is
expressly prohibited localized burial of stones in order as is prohibited OK.
A copy of the special permit shall be kept on site at all times and readily
available for planning board representatives to view during any site visit. L.
No advertising material or sign should be placed on the tower. The tower shall have
a finish that is similar to
a white gray or white polluting color as approved by the leading toward the whole
boy. And no definite lighting be on the minimum required by the F.A.A.
Work F.C.C.
Shall be allowed on the power. Or what. This is the one thing running
the POWs somewhere which. Each year anniversary would be in service to the
power of the alphabet for file a report with
a town clerk in the field in the board certifying that the tower does not exceed
the maximum power density for transmissions a lot of the F.C.C.
And any other. Excuse me. Thank you for.
Looking at the new stuff while the recovery I want to draw your attention to I'm
now word says that there's not going to be any signs I thought you might want to
add to that except as required by the town for identification purposes. And that's
not a never present sign and. It would be. Much better to not climb so U.S.
Troops without electrocution have
a. Very. Radio. Listening to
any threats today from the start so what Al then. Not included only.
It's just referred to the tell. The country let me
just finish that sentence brother Oh yes. You do in your ions he was returning from
the front page. About the clerk at the pointy works are fighting
a power does not exceed the maximum power density for transmissions as
a lie by the F.C.C.
And any other political stature. And
a comment. Which one might. No No No It states the applicant shall submit an annual
report shouldn't that be changed to the special permit holder. Which is the up work
of maybe not in the future. It's only the out the afternoon orders as
a side of me. So your concern Mark is if it changes here that you think your third
son the new guy to do the annual report right now so that the new guy does have to
do just the right call your concern is that if they if it's love the way it is they
way they could they feel OK All right my grandkids no longer have all been the
Dodgers I should be really there. That's why I thought the special permit holder.
Yesterday helped start. Talking points. On the part of the.
Ne You know you. Were. Right. That when.
We went through that window and there's no wood fire in the right it's
a world where your frequency which is. All I would expect you.
Adele summersaults qualified individual Yes I mean I know I don't want to have.
This and I'm on my way back to my expert and the other three.
I mean towers we have in town now. You know the current ones doing the annual
reports you know as far as you know. Timely and
a timely manner and I don't recall them from that again. OK.
I'll have to have either changed ownership crummy original Africa now.
OK. Has there been any. Any weakness in the
the paperwork or the special person in the prior to that you think we need to
address is we're working on this language you're pretty happy as this is only
personal to condense so I think as well because we hear that you know I look
like this right. Here But as you think about
the two we currently have
a very problem problems where weaknesses that you see in terms of the paper work
and then you write yeah. We don't you know yeah.
They don't carry us through it you got and we have down now oh well we're just
a little putting each year on there were three of them in service to date of the
power and that followed for without work planning for the building for the fire
wall and the goal. In the field itself our.
Communications. Certify that the power does not seem to.
Maximum power density for true Christians as allowed by the F.C.C.
And any other book from the staff you're going to be the permit holder will not
only have. A special term for. The very beginning of
it yeah they were injured Yeah OK so if you change all of those to special.
You feel different if you have the feet to within thirty days of the issuance of
the final bit of occupancy certification by the manufacturer or internet for via
masters of words for its book registered structural engineer shall be filed by the
applicant indicating tower height its own structure is fallacious and totally
anticipated pasty of the structure who number and type of intent is which could be
accommodated demonstrating to the satisfaction of building commissioner that all
structural requirements and other safety considerations set forth in the building
code have been met and. They don't come in. Here and kill the
enemy money they can do in that fire. Or is that their new
company is going to do use of the issue I'd rather do before. So because
of no structural reform with the building that. You'll have that if you want to see
for occupancy that I think once it's done I would like an engineer report like
crazy to hear how construction
a troll affidavit right so makes us give those affidavits before we issue the right
yes. So how would you like to cite you know I mean do you want to tax the
whole thing I mean it's really I think the intent of that was to get in as built
have sound good. You know we would do you know I'm actually building that. Because
it is sort of it's all. Like they were Yeah like if we're going to put this in here
we just kind of tell them it's OK and not give it to me when I get here why can't
we just let it go handle this super office as
a building permit business and not really play anymore special from. So delete Pete
altogether Yeah I don't Adele's not going to give them the occupancy permit but she
has that as built type whatever it. Is that are able to you know kind of use it
that's business as usual you guys right. Look here everybody then it's OK you would
know this time I just don't want to be discrepancies between what you guys are
saying to you and what I would be like That's really right so we'll just scratch
anything out I mean if you will be if you do anyway right you're right by the
normal standard and the only. Evidence for your first cue to
do which is no take that which is now. Going to those are the
government is valid for
a period of two years from the data Vishwas operation you know the state will
require subsequent special. Discussion. With you
just really have the floor. I don't see why again after two years and it's up and
running and everything to this implies you would have to go back to apply for
a special permit I go to the hearing everything right this week. And
we have the annual report coming in I don't I just don't for this type of operation
. The cell tower sits there and does its thing and that's the bylaws. By law when
it's. Two years. What was the reasoning behind it no idea it was drafted before I
was here. So it doesn't really have to be condition
it doesn't it's just making it clear. To others hurt to sell flowers are they under
special permit. Two G.B.
They were the very good of the brigade you know your grandfather What are they are
they doing. Anything every two years no not every day you know. You know just
reports. We write what you have to do.
Not to. Go where is it in there's only is it at the table or is it out of tax notes
of the test you have. Got to go. And you read it Stephen it.
Was just in journals or just just continue to hold office. But she will come to
other stuff permits. Through the boilerplate two years for everything you should
really know sensory upon to three.
I'm. Sure you want to can come back to that would. Be good suppose.
You caused if I did ever. Shortening here that you know you're right I'm.
Guilty of an experience and I read it. Very.
Clearly not
a lot of them yet under six five seven six point five zero. If Win seven term
special permits authorized under section shall be limited to an initial term of two
years and shall be renewed every two years thereafter provided the special permit
holder has filed with the board will surface. Demonstrating continuing compliance
with this session with the special permit and without local federal or state
regulatory requirements so it shall be renewed. What do we
do with the excess very we just we don't really really know really areas we don't
go through the whole permanent process that we do or you know maybe just because.
If they fly. Then it's worse. So I'm not sure that says
a new spec you have to go through the whole process. To get his refusal permits
authorizer the session shall be limited to it initial term of two years to an
initial term of two years and Shavar who EVERY and shall be renewed.
Shall be renewed. Maybe. It shall be renewed every two years thereafter
provided
a special permit holder as filed with the board the N O one for starters so it's
not
a whole. I don't believe it says nothing going on that's not one hundred knots it
doesn't say and shall apply for
a new special per interview tonight it does not say but we do have to issue
a new flag like unlike the Excel two thousand years or the date of the issuance
that's. We would have the board member view it and if the annual reports been
submitted to the town or to play
a board as required setter at the end of the inspector and he and the building.
Then the early and we would know what shall be written relied on has already formed
one of food and then we call Mr Wilson or his assignee and put him up please.
It's up to. You or Senate Dell is really something that's worth it because
I did it once and I thought it was I would. Not play.
So we really don't even need Q Because it's already in the. I think you better put
it in there just your right here just. Holds it so he said something like no other
Surprise Valley I've heard here I would not suggest that they are made of all the
Shelby permit to use I would refer to it by the section number the special permit
is limited to. Rule requirements.
You know what I did stipulate in search of Section six five seven number one and
two six point five point seven want to just reference the vital. Right.
Thank you. That's fine OK.
So formally are just the next oh yes Adele I guess just to clarify I'm not so
sick but kind of like is your heart beat still have might be born with that when
you all are looking at it we just it is
a. Good question. You know so I can kind of like the only thing you're going to be
some kind. Of the case for you when you go I think that's what my view is that they
don't have to come before us if they do it on time that it. Shall be renewed right
now we know the same thing when you first read
a part of your memory if they do what memory are right they don't have to come yet
once we have guys you still have to insult me send you something I'm going to I
guess what it should be dark and. Yeah yeah yeah the title hearing or anything but
at least some kind of it will be an agenda item for us to guess that we have to
vote on it we would rely on our staff for it right and we'd have all the stuff etc
but it would be an agenda item for us right is your whole hearing or you. Might
just. Sense we have such
a crack playing forty eight hours he's going to make sure that it's on our agenda
in
a timely manner every other year as well. Rice even. Well
with regret. With the. You know partment. We
usually have
a tickler file of those if they somehow forget and we sent every minute of you know
Christ OK So that was that in this case if they forget we would send them saying
hey guys you forgot to file for your rebuttal and then of course the letter would
come back from. Ne wireless or whoever. And say we are here by
requesting renewal booked
a special permit. And cetera right and. OK
everybody good with. What was Q. One. Q Is
now changed is what Billy you know pardon me like these that can make stuff.
OK Bill OK please Hugh formally known as our. Police Fire and
Rescue. Shall have access to code like locate should.
Have access to code located on the tower if they request to do so future.
Are intended arrays added to the tower after the initial start of Operation shall
require planning board authorization. The wording that is a national permit
a lot of so many antenna. This is about five and they can make five
on one time. So if they put on too late.
Can they just go ahead and go is
a max without Well I think I think the way it goes is lets say they build it and
there's two up there then two years down the road they want to add two I think they
come back and send
a letter and like. Is it yours or the other one we had recently
the other one is I think the other one I don't think it's any anything new I'm
trying. We have we have police fire and I way on ours
already there are limits Video number of antennas they appear in the car anyway
five is the max so sexism. Whatever you design the tower for right now we're going
to provide. The put up too and most likely most likely I would be three
anyway and but would they need to come back to the board to add the three if the
firm is allowed I don't know if I have the authorization I don't see why not
withstanding what I'm sure Roy is about to say but. You guys are seeing cell towers
all over the place and they're just another or
a one two three four five you want to have
a city and scratch our heads and say. Well we want to have more arrays on
a single tower if it means less towers and what up. Yeah. But I
wonder authorization just the right word for that one yeah what about that I don't
know notification but it doesn't say that I mean approval. But if you did notify
that
a little less under us. I mean we're proving this for the five the Internet
right that's were probably about
a maximum so I don't know see what they wish it stretches all to do I don't see
what use it serving actually. The time was only could handle five and then we
already approved of the five so we will be approving up to five so you would
anybody have
a problem if we just eliminated our which was yes. I
have no problem because because the permit allows five I just let them do their
build out as they're so moved. So to leave everybody you know we just have notified
us and we know what we know when the annual report every year if they had added
anything to it right when they get to the max and I want to assure you that is
a constant after the initial construction is going to have to go through the
building permit process and provide structural sort of conditions etc So it's not
as if this is going to happen outside of the town anything to get built I don't
want to still have to go through zone you force me off you know just like the full
blast we did waited till to have it done without. Three lemonade everybody thought
it was just. I tell keeper files and perhaps let the planning board know what for
dinosaurs to keep its files up to date then when Americans. We have
a crack in your interoffice community I'm really going to tell you. It's called
lateral and I think if you take ten yes. It are the forms and reports that they
file at the end of each year you can even identify that there's additional arrays
added. On the list. What's the content of those four and what
is the content of those forms of ocean blue that it will there will be measured
field measurements actually taken and the density of calculations will still
increase the surface or certain density calculation for each set of antenna over is
certifying the document total is less than what the F.C.C.
After you see
a lot. So yes it will show that there is no power coming out of antenna Rays
who get generator running so if you you are your successor as it intended that
would show up in a report because you have
a greater. Force so I speak right. Thank you for.
That answer
a question mark I guess you know because you want to add in the old which is the an
old Forth which is based on like. They provided just in the person that clued in
any. Transmitters. Any additional.
I don't know the board. I mean it seems to me if they would show that anyway if
they have been told they have to show the maximum power that power gets in the
transmission and obviously if it's doubled. One would suspect here they cranked up
the original disk or added another eight. Anybody feel strongly about that one with
the other I don't know what could they do what they want to see but where but the
tower when we've given him permission to do it. Right so we'll just eliminate what
was asked became and then assume. The i Report And are you telling me that
a course from Officer that will hold up. Will have the information we need on
a regular basis so the T.V.
Comes our understanding right now the last one that was just one I think we covered
. Yes. Q. Or which is no P I think.
We said the special permit is going to redo requirements as to Section six five
seven one and you see you just number two right this is the one about removing the
component and it surely will be provided
a sort of who would do the removing. The Alpha because he's going.
Yes he would be the holder of the special for
a minute then. You couple that to finally be done in the. Right any comments or
questions you're welcome you're sure you're limited in that he would just now are.
We were eliminated antenna raise ad. And yeah I asked him about the last he was
there to your god yeah I know you have a license or your OK OK OK but there's
a differential I want me to question it for a second go ahead there's
a differential between Q. And T.
The typewritten he would think he's because that's
a two years in This Is It and it's been abandoned for only one year. Well I would
like if it's been like you get a permit runs out if it's abandoned for more than
a year you have to prove it runs out and it's going to take over or if they just
cease operating you're right. So then in actuality they could actually go for two
years that we wouldn't even know about unless they can make sure and they're going
to come in here to here. For
a well probably two years because we feel we've you know to notice that they
haven't submitted their real report. And. Say what's going on. OK
why is because again it was just to be you were referring to Section six point five
which is
a want you to now go one talks about the renewal every two years
now right you talked about the town not being in the Atlantic OK so what is his
actions and his Action Network OK referring to the people. That of course set up.
OK Thank you. Anybody else I'm up to the special conditions do you got Steve
clearly this is the special program or you know of the you know. So there you have
sort of is it right the way you know one of the you know. I did wrong in the
function the Northeast wireless service and operations because you know for me.
I think that they're all involved they're on the call so I don't want to overdo it
falls back on. A special permit I would think which is awesome oh
you know the Northeast Well you know like you know which is. Never going to visit
special many of us not right when you have the real chance for
a special permit you know you know when. You know yes. Because they're
going to have a lease with a land owner that Lee. Yes could be
a subcontractor. Or something whatever they could be at least for ten years give it
literally have its role in this making sure that it's you know the bill and.
The not the only reason these are all right. You know so I thought might be that's
what I mean I like variance maybe condition by limiting its duration to determine
ownership or use by you. Is just
a. Right anybody else up to special get it.
OK And the special commissions to eat you have surety is
a question mark well well above that I put in
a couple of conditions that were proposed. But I want to go through those sort of
white pine trees are to be planted I was going to say and maintained.
On
a suitable spacing of the Seas ten feet of water on the side of the Smith on the West
Hartford road side. Right I gather. So I can't remember how many trees are you
planted taken down altogether would you say. You remember six OK.
All right questions are number one anybody but I mean we want to be more specific
on the size of the tree. But I have
a question. Well let's. You know as for any.
Six foot. Minimum that was really
a yard I guess. Yes that's my desire yes what do you think I think six foot
tall and. Spacing of how one more on that side.
I was thinking about the length of that side down to before. Like that OK in D.C.
Ten trees.
A muddy else on the moon while I think that you know them I love the fact that can
give
a question and. Put in place around the it doesn't pertain to the. Buffer
around the enclosure itself. Since
a landscape buffer Yeah this is actually going to be where you're planning is to
fill the gap right there's
a gap between the naturally occurring white pine that are mature trees right now I
think it clearing to the edge of the education mind so that there's going to be an
opening open view from the road going to are you going to maintain those existing
White Plains or as much as possible you know we're not going to come in when we
have to we have to with
a seventy by seventy fence there and well Derby still though even would. I thought
that line of pine was going to pretty much stay there will have been my contention
all along but you know what I've also stated all along that if the board feels
additional vegetation is necessary that we provide. I just
I thought I thought that if that original line appliances that time were going to
be behind those and if you drove it by there. It's not not if you look at the plan
and don't think it is. Right I thought it was. Because there is again I don't know
if we are plant shows the squiggly line which will designate the edge of the
cover. The edge of the tree line the tree edge doesn't show us where the individual
pine trees are I just don't think it just shows where the edge of the canopy is and
that edge
a canopy is just outside of his easement lines on the hunt for the road side so
that would mean that the trees are within one hundred forty S.
And therefore made maybe I'm not positive either there might be trees left but they
may be taken back to where exactly here's here's Hartford right. And and the
parking area and stuff for the flea market in the barn or like over here and
everything and there is
a gap here there's some trees and other stuff here and then there's this the
natural trees here there's
a gap where were you thinking of well the trees do that. Those trees are
kind of in
a line this way and then they come back of this way right here and you saw it with
the trees on the usually clearing to create that hundred metre clearing that this
behind is going to end up with an opening here OK So you're saying right now I'm
writing right here OK how about over here no I'm talking about right here that only
thing that we can require That's what I will write and I was in
a great sense because I know there wasn't
a butterly here that says you know if we look like here we might see through this
gap to the sink and I think you're trying to fill all this and I was not for that
a natural part for plantings even around the whole thing you know but right in
front yes that's OK because I didn't want to live it you don't know what future use
that could sometimes be a duck to
a park in the future an industrial zone for fortunes or something it has some trees
here that were protected by
a special purpose of this and I say that's the perfect place to have
a few I did want to get one of those one only directly adjacent to the fence I
think is the only thing that we can require the center along side of the site and
running. Which is that square feed you have some say Well presumably good tenants
and. Which were the board of the blue to go after the construction for so many
years that it would strays from those things we're really trying to join us right.
Now on the run out the measures that will go out going yes I think you somewhere
where we can expect that. When I ask for. You.
Are you ready also number one is
a special edition carry they understand where these might be planted Yes So we're
talking ten trees ten ten feet apart for about one hundred feet right in question
on that oh well I just hope that's what song. And like last summer if
you don't specify one when. I think. You're going to.
Specify to one thing I have to replace tell you more take that out take one of the
public lands and it's going to be hard to keep six motors
a lot of. What you need sometimes you really need
a civic you know the Constitution you know was also the point is that everybody can
look right. OK. OK but he also had one.
Number to contact information must be publicly accessible and not just to the folks
. That need something in the office here that people could. See if there was an
absentee voter who said who do I call if I've got
a good way to get her concern right I noted it should be corporate phone number
people can call it health issues should arise and people want should include as
a condition that was my notes from them about every. So that be in the office and.
You're going to be there with the file as we get notified. OK. Right embody
also special conditions and thank you. Discussions with the public here in.
The back of the General I'm going to put it conditional in their five posting the
first contact of the race. To the. Right house that
posted usually what kind of thing to do has
a case of emergency hundred number I mean is it painted. Like
a parking sign. Good it's
a Navajo something or whatever why did no you know sorry. It's an emergency please
call for foreigners why would you like to call this
a prison colony I would guess OK any more come in the wording for the stuff of
propriety everything else of course you know at this point what would you know
about the surety. I was just asking the question do we want to come up with some
value with surety maybe to cover the in the event of the Never Whitely of it that
you know it's
a variant in for period of the Year award and. It doesn't you know. That's the only
instance of surety I can think of. I think that's important how would you say that
a. Good question you have to research or doubt you have
a vision and then you can just check it. Sorry you know
I. Didn't say it right but of course you bet your lease
agreement with the land owner. Would this what would you have
a miracle was like those that in the in the event that you abandon that you show
remove said them from the property of your focal and return the land to as far as
Foster was original condition that is and the reason that was supplied with it was
a lot of patients with the death of the lease and you will be current insurance
policy on this for probably up to about one million bucks yes. So I know there is
that tier protection there certainly the landowners want to you to lend or
protection is right that should
a bad and or what have you. He's holding the ticket there as well but still
would wheel something in the know and like anything to do requiring charity even
though the landowner is responsible. You know the account looking. Ahead to
Mexico Linda was responsible but we need surety in the insurance policy.
That we cover somehow with this that in the event there's
a bad in that the. Town could be named No that policy. Is your only insurance the
only thing in the extent of your interest is where the town is not
a land on or lease of the or you wouldn't have any interest OK but I mean income to
move
a bond is not unreasonable that the removal cost is about seven thousand dollars
with construction. As the price of the steel goes up you know you'll have
a lot more people interested because the price of those towers on the roof is still
goes up and thousand dollars is a good estimate
a little more cost and you know that no permit holder fails to remove
the tower is required here in the. National provisional post
a ten thousand dollars bond surety on which. Sure removal rushing
over to remove. Your answer.
So we have
a dish your can we just require. We usually. Posted.
Part of it with help for sure water storage locker room with
a book like that. With fifteen thousand be
a safe room only in places. That.
We want to go with him well the ten might be just remove the tower there might be
other site work and my theory requires it we just put that in there. And we just
look at the condition right now we have built we do some research on it. Six five
seven. And once we're very excited at the it says in part in part the
permit holder shall post
a bond or other financial security with the town treasurer you know the amount
deemed sufficient to cover demolition of removal of Peter U.S.
Facilities in the event of discontinuance of use. So that's
covered in the law that's right from the law. It's just
a matter of how much to say to the Treasury.
We have to have it here if it's part of the bylaws of that. Point we do have other
things in here that they're not but
a reference ends with if that's what form or the word was in there with you know
thirty years whatever but what would be the amount that's the question the hood of
my mind I will know. You want to get it why don't the price really gets good for
scrap and you know all right so you know it's going to miss me what he's got right
now but we don't have to figure that out tonight you know OK. Because it's just
a word you know. After for the span of all he said and then the next meeting was so
lame or why don't we start. Tonight and fill in the gaps after the
page number was
a little bit because I'm older but I don't. Write What's your home construction
schedule here we are in January but I want to have this in the air before the end
of this quarter that's our goal for if this is signed by tonight. Michael
beautiful life building permit during the appeal period if the Taliban were allowed
. So you want to get go it has
a movie like them to know. What your pleasure group in terms of science and the
evidence I would I don't mind wait until the end of myself we deserve it well I'd
rather see
a real. Hero I'm all I'm really just edited as far as I'm concerned I'm ready to
sign Do we have to sign you know meeting all everyone's
a present or can be signed outside the meeting. Pretty much have to vote to approve
the permit for the bill we should you know we have to vote for the. Week we have to
vote for the special person that has presented you know we don't really have that
front of us and we could sign it tidy way right and just want to see.
So usually after it's something we followed to tell or the following day and that
gets the clock ticking. So it's all.
OK so it just does anybody have any questions about the edits at this point. So if
we saw them in our next meeting. We'd be ready to go we would have to have
a lot of discussion. So everybody said we're going to also be that there's
a question this should be no there's no question right if we're all good on the had
. Any questions and you have to know them well we've only got it and I think you
know we would want to know it but we wouldn't cite it until it was pristine because
that's the. Oh yeah I mean the document that the signature could go to would be the
fixed up version but we could cite
a page. We end up just depends that cookie I grant signed the next meeting
or you know I just don't want to you know it's been
a while and he's been very patient but we would know if we vote. He said enough for
you to go to the. Building Inspector the next few days original because I know
provide
a recorded proof that it's been reported Oh the registry oh yeah OK Well at least
Thank you President issued
a permit I might accept the application. I was just saying in the process we're.
Going to have construction drawing interest this week so I'm ready to. Girl
we'll meet for two weeks. Right. I just go there are
a lot we can just. See yeah that's probably what we owe the twenty
family. OK
so we leave it that way then that will love. My vote is the signature is going to
get the first copies that are here that really you know so Ex me right to be able
to wrap it up. I could see if you got it so. OK thank you for coming in.
To. The Bell do you think before our next meeting you can e-mail us up probably do
it for
a final verdict but for if you want over to write in to. Look
a where do we stand Mr Chu We know you're just in the hallway we have
a thing from Adele that. Various.
People.
That I'm not. Going to hear.
From.
Like really go. How many people need to
sign. Me. Up.
But you probably want to meet or if not don't you want to. That he or anyone.
Like you can come in and sign it. Like you know you know he was to me because I
didn't learn from Sunday Sunday coming to see what he would have to vote on. You
it's only Yeah I don't see why we can go down the road you know why can't we come
right we're going to make sure we can for all of you. If someone doesn't show up
next week well I think I just think proceed really decide this that you really
don't want to vote on something that. Isn't right for you and we've we've all.
We've talked about the others were always going to do it correctly but I think
essentially if you want to make sure it's correct. For you vote unless you're the
most was that we grant
a special permit. Provided the wording. Is acceptable to the board or something
like that when. You're going which doesn't tell him you know I'm going to tell him
last time that our next meeting you will who was the hope but then change you know
. If we don't we don't know what the majority next time next would be going to
goes on for another to make
a motion. And
if the edits I don't want We're right next time you know when you will miss not
just edited it we just went through the whole thing it had it it it I don't know if
we we said you know what you said it could be
a no discussion sign it next meeting so why you say now that we're going to find
something wrong if we just edited it and we read the edits we made also met it
built writing it down it's
a done deal as far as I'm concerned I don't see why we can't vote on it tonight the
bill is also here you can make a marriage as well that would be
a typographic have got to do away with what we had as it is well if we vote on it
tonight and it's not written the way that I if I make
a vote tonight it's not written down at all but I thought we were. I'm not going to
free. Because of the technical thing I mean I'd
rather see the writing and I think if you're paid detached and want something. I
make
a motion that we vote on tonight well the motion would be to approve. And what you
put up with with with that was discussed with the changes and amended with the
edits as amended with the edits that we made tonight as
a. Second OK discussion.
Now let's say the next question is if it doesn't get approved what happens can we
can we still go over the next. Well I don't want to see I don't want to see three
people missing but if we next meet me and let me make news when you can say with
the tree just as submitted these are changes that were actually submitted you have
been submitted. Right right.
That. I get a feel I'm not going to get
a vote anyway so I went through or. Was that because I see every second it has it
I'm not going to approve it. My feeling is that you know they said no like I don't
want to say. The leadership is on the. Line really going across
the border we're going to really like you know did you know you think so or so I'm
shaking this. Sorrows and this guy says.
This is all right well wait till the next. Year I guess I'll spare you all this
right now is everybody thought I'd be here through these no ball today just said he
wouldn't be that's that's why I'm saying if we don't have
a supermajority then it's going to drag on the way the Lord knows So Dave's not
here. And right Linda vote against it think of two three four where you would go to
give them
a day to day my vote against Why what I'm most at with this as we discussed No I
said you would vote against it and next is everything that is always everything was
great we wanted what we discussed. It was unedited we haven't changed yet it's just
as going to the next week it would mean that we can if we can postpone it the next
year and do it. And one year no. Option for new where
waves about to happen by the F.C.C. They're freezing up U.H.F.
You know as
a one year all your T.V.'s must are on cable or have the box or digital that won't
work. And so you guys are the old black and white and you're buying like me in your
mind waiting for us but that's where he sleeps. And I want to thank you in
a big right to. Tell I've been waiting.
Very. People are still talking so anyway if you what to say anymore about this
special permit for today him for the self. Whatever Most humans are you know when
I was growing the one I went through my second. I knew him he knew when to take the
chance that you could have full bore well I'm
a super majority but the thing is if it were I mean we've been advised by or legal
counsel that this is
a program we cannot know because that's isn't there I can go to court over the
edits Now if you will so I'm just thinking if it came to
a vote in two weeks two people voted against. It didn't get approved.
Then we get out and we get support again. Yes it would be something like that we
would have to prove you know we have to we are you know is there
a court order. You know we were up to
a program in two weeks we can get to get it right and then we can if it is wrong
you might get
a really good laugh I think our hope is to approach it that are going up to us to
groups that we started to for what we want we can put conditions what we reporting
to the court we have to prove. What we didn't get that I thought it was more play
something about yes we have in the long ago maybe that's not what we have proven we
would do it the next you know they had exactly the playing quarterback for approval
or agreed condition those can. Condition. The colon row
where the Haitian people democracy David people get if you.
Are going to run for over on the. Right. OK why are you ready to
give us an update on where you stand we got
a letter from our. Got here says it is now quote just.
So you know it's also going to. Do.
Yes. But that's very speculative because they didn't know what does that
mean you know if you see.
This you're in for your work on the doorway of the earth and Gary. Don't
write. So good to love. Is
a good thing right because if you go the accepted part was performed at the right
just like interesting right here. We still have the original application form
somewhere. Oh yeah I remember that yeah I've been thinking about it
and. Yeah so we need. We need
a motion of the grip especially for those that there's only a second for
a second. David made
a motion I seconded it OK discussion. OK All they ever say I
write I post your state looking for site later tonight OK OK you feel
yourself getting. Three You have. One better start in two years you're
right. All right you see our next agenda item is
subdivision rules and regs. But we're going to do computing so forth.
Like mint for instance. What do you know what do you got three minutes ago I.
Still don't. Know if you can really break it you can print it
we got November thirtieth i Phone for twenty three several levels.
Let's start with the oldest one October twenty three.
So we said. OK with you sort of keeping up with our discussion are you able to make
sense of everything OK. Yeah. I noticed.
In the minutes when citizens talked to Republican very you just refer to them as
citizens as opposed to the name of the person what's your feeling board members
does that matter to you he just says
a citizen says as opposed to John Q Public says. Well as we have
you asked for their name letting their name and address you know just to make sure
that their dog was present and so on but you guys care starts her report here yeah
pretty. Good name of the surface of the whole thing. So maybe going forward if
somebody if we get their name just included in it how would that work well I mean
you know we. Don't hesitate to say to the person please repeat your name or repeat
your dress yourself I'll make sure they think. I'm going there no I don't think so
you know you know. Yeah if you had somebody from we're going to
be. Looking for that land up under there. Roger but it their
property I believe this yes not that they have to be regardless but if they're not
he probably knows that he was around we don't know why they're here to do in the
water at Sanford Yeah well water OK the Russians on October twenty three minutes
a very tough week for say that right with much of the second paragraph or it and
the second one. Where there is it.
Worth of caution on certain points for.
Further down where there's a big space and says. It was
a question for you really DOES IT nation was designed to on OK.
I want to hear about the phrase I love him but it's not bill that. I didn't know
what was it. For having to. Do.
This. OK You know she loved that space because there was
a sentence I put in that says in the space above it was questioned but it certainly
should say Mr kind of also raised the concern that the board would not have the
ability to review the subsequent project relative to environmental concerns such as
noise and air quality. He did Beauty.
Of that is that we will read you are crazy we have
a bass player that's great is that my father after many years because that I open
my window her out now my mind I open my eyes didn't know if I have the right one I
don't know of another yeah I knew I was going to take the link back to my own and
it the next paragraph it said it was
a question there were people you know that designation was designed to on the
writer to go on. And on at
the bottom line no wonder these guys were drug. Right. And I think of
a few of those and you're right. OK faking already oh
yeah its publication yesterday I got to believe it right you know what we have to
that's what. They were doing and page three
I don't know. Why. Well you know.
We've. Done the high school that's the one at the high school where you take very
good. Was hardly I know so I guess if people recall if they made it to
the most of the speech you negated the gold and take the difficult to read paper
that. Said. He wanted to thank
you what if. He said look you know if this is twenty five public
hearing that group are for texting twenty one. Horses he indicated that goal
to take the difficult to read paper map and digitize it. So he's you know degraded
the goal was to take is. One thing if
you read
a paper now. And into time I think the word was you know he indicated the goal
is to take. The difficult to read should all be hyphenated
friends difficult to read would be. Right but he also knocked over twenty
three to read anything and according to the point you know the most didn't tell you
much more of the same or. Made a motion for
a second early second and I made the move on all of them. And the next one
I don't know said it was but I did I did the. Really cool or really.
Well the reception just not that good no there's no why is there anybody you know
who's going out of your new job. But he
also took over twenty three so we're going to do the most good to make it all that
mean for you but I want to really separate the trees that. Made
a motion that says Mr Chester over
a forty five lives with all its forms. Made it the second
thing I think the big girl to thank you and we go. And the most of those who have
meant what I feel for you. As a as
a man. Roy Truly. Healthier say I.
Suppose the state will carry. OK December eleventh Ah
just happens you know I'm sorry. I go November thirtieth.
To over the weekend. Thank you. Now when I was.
Told to leave my weekend let's get the regular one you know if we if we uproot
those then go over the right not like really you know we can't release and we're
going to the break it is not close to us we. Just are real We're going on twenty
years without any questions I don't have anybody to hear that I look through it
night and then I live where do I know it wasn't. Which
I didn't wind up but I guess I was
a forty five the last line from the. Question comes up
do you want. To have
a determination. I know that Leader
Reid. Would be
a calm. Day after him and then that for you all that said in the
period to the question. You have to get rid of that the difficult question
please. She offered me the question came up if the question comes up.
When the question comes up.
I'll feel strongly about it OK Well each other. And then on page
five the Ninth Ward.
Said with one of the advocates of my note and after looking requesting
a very devoted single family dwelling on it it was straight with me for that back
from the white one. To ten feet I don't think you can do with weapons remember
that well there's only. One peach on your plate.
It's nine twenty five. Maybe it was then
a step back from the from the other side better yet. Not from what you
have what's the rear boundary twenty five and the so I just fifteen is
a side show you know that pretty well yes you want to work so well then change
what's inside I don't.
Care if any else I know there were thirteen you have page six of ten
o six adjournment Mr Mark Yeah I'm oh yeah he was awful he was.
Just
a Marxist is the great Madam. That back to the
max. All right anybody else on November thirteenth.
I need to move to
a meeting this is November seventh. Second But Mark Block got it
right OK OK everything I did I say hi most of state. Here.
So. We're not going to last night we're going to do both later.
I think it was one of the next Summer Love the next one I can hear you.
My least I just got to give you credit for. You for track of all this stuff I mean
you got
a lot of you got your. One seven hundred thirty you know when you write or
think I've done right.
OK so you. Think You Are. In the I don't.
Know probably the very
a fourth and where it says Mr Munder and requested the planting of white right
white should be. Well.
In the last letter on page three.
For
a section and. If there are. No you have chosen brown paper there are several
. That she Thank you for having met me I miss the St George I'm not with you
Tony are you and Mr Van didn't grow up that way some days it's
a small day right. In the morning yeah yeah yeah yeah then we're going you know.
In the eight twenty five thirty eight in Auckland I think Mark made
a motion to endorse the plan we always don't we I wouldn't do it saying dollar for
him personally you know. And the thing last paragraph.
Attorney general claim noted that Wyatt property runs between the two twelve and I
. Think it should be runs along.
Oh no he's probably I don't know his properties between the two administrations you
know you have your on the other right side there's one on each side of his property
yeah. That's. OK there was some names here had questions was
way was one. Of the spelling. Of murder and it was an
ex or was just.
Just like it sounds with anything up there you know that one would.
Probably run when when we're going to when we ask
a citizen to. You know station name an address you can chime right in and
asked to them for the spelling of that you know record that right at the same time
list oh no and you don't have to. Tell them surely me shoot me if you really
feel I could get this knowing that. I might soon and I think you know Romney is
where they know as people all. Over.
The last. Couple
idiots that are going. To be how many and.
They don't want to get to Florida. It's
a funny thing you different parts of the country like if you go to the Midwest
where there are a lot of definite you know band of or
a little problem but here you got to spell
a lot if you go to. You know you go to parts of it try to have this huge Polish
population and you start throwing these pollution in one place they spell no
problem but yes we have helped us got ski at me and I'm not sure how to do that.
And then of course people for that want to come here can't pronounce half the town
here like you. Yes there are you know we've. Got
a long period yeah. Yeah we're you know. All right
you know he also I mean a lot of fun facts
a track here page on the middle of the second paragraph and for things that was
questioned about what happened in Haiti you know this design is not working you
know whether responsible is going right above that window Yeah. Second paragraph
and I said Mr Marks over the responsibility of this board is to look at storm
management should be storm water management. He said matter Mr Mark madness and I
was just making history. And the second to last
paragraph. Of why you posted the improvements were completed some discussion was
held and it was
a consensus the board was to. Push to release. That
. Anyway. Oh. Yeah.
It's Benadryl or something. Cold all. Gone through the
out of there in drawer. Didn't work holds up so. You know he also December eleventh
. The way it used to be except
a. Second right David. Yes All right all day I
feel right. The story right now that you are
a bit younger than the one. Play board budget bill recommending that he became Do
you know I want to ask the work of the real ask the question therefore going to
have people pouring out of having any public hearings next year like for example.
So many for. You know for sure to carry some advertising morning.
But yeah we need to get there soon how do we go day after tomorrow I mean we had
disappeared but all the theories you're planning on you know if you're if you have
any thoughts about look at last year's an appropriate saver and you could do that
or you just say hey last year we didn't do was only Let's carry some money for
advertising you know right we didn't make enough money last year so I. Put three
more tests year we had
a pretty good budget expense where you spent three three seven ninety already. And
. Had nothing in the budget for having had that we just said. You. Have.
You know seven you had the right did we have any player support because we know if
you're going to be holding some hearings. Here. Forty
three D.
Do we have any Saudi issues coming up in old age that we want to hear that well
that's a question you. Could even think of anything for what forty three D.
There are going to have enough don't result in five hundred rows would be gentle
but there's the one we have one of those free Put that would be under this budget
because we go July July it's right here in July doesn't that still be under this
budget. We've been holding public hearings just.
Yeah. You know we do know we have to do that the public hearing yes we want to do
that if you're. Just physically I mean zero zero eight zero way in Calgary area
calendar so isn't any going next physically So what's it cost roughly at your top
two hundred dollars. So if we did four that would be
a grand war right. Now you know you're going to go back.
You're going to for I think. Oh my God Bill I don't know it's not.
Going to Come you want if you want to ask I want to be honest I was going home with
a very very fine I want to do well I think what we're going down significantly in
our budget and I think so I think even if we do put it in the thought that I could
or. Will get through no problem because we're deeply sensitive because you by the
way feel. You live in your fridge but. Your property taxes are
a bit lower this last fight for. Because the tidal wave paid for the schools
find us or because housing guy your wages are dropping that like you know I don't
think it's the housing crunch. I think it's going to get. The currently using Curd
you know new projects I've been taken on yet and I think that's probably why what
happened. What happens we have
a general type of housing the flavor of. Property tax guy for bicyclists there kept
his base that way just to drop. But if you watch it. I mean
it's going to fail there's lots of times evaluated at and I'm going to drop the
evaluation of your problem. You'll take
a crunch if you sell it but it's going to make me think what the evaluations of.
That the town do you know. When they when they send out to people to assess.
In between that the market drops you know you know property values and then drop
steadily based on what system you know that goes well they don't really care about
the market as
a whole. You know market values do you usually high and then he
uses valuation. So they start on sales in the immediate
area with on sale so sales go down the valuation of the property goes down
but the rate goes up because you need the money
a woman to run the time know the shell game right after
a shell game or anything on the budget that we talked about have been more in
pursuit before with the hearing about to get the public hearing so we thought we'd
have to have the five hundred if we thought we had or it be another thousand but
that would only be after to like one because. You know I want to still this but
here so you want us let's back up if we go through these one of the time OK we've
carried over the last number of years
a pretty significant professional technical line and that's primarily been for the
mapping in the C M R P C study and be zoning mapping.
We haven't used even
a fraction of that. So the first question is are we going to pursue the
zoning mapping next year. If so did you want to carry any budgetary
amount for that. If not you know it's easy enough to just say we're all
professional technical. All even in their transfer if you needed somewhere else.
Well I think the sense was we want to keep moving on this only. And that we have.
We have this situation where we've got overlapping stuff and what does that stand
now and were we going to. Put it out on the T.V.
There was
a subcommittee that was formed between Ernie and Roy and they were going to sit
down take
a look at the map I met with Roy once and that's kind of where we're going to have
so many Thank you guys we're going to come your way do you relate the existing You
know yes right paper around on the digitized map and that's pretty cos that's where
we're at and I thought that we talked. About letting people come in correct here to
sort it dissipate where there might be some problems show it to match them bring up
the issues and if they don't bring up to your issues and go through because as we
found out just sitting down with where did those numbers come from nobody knows
where the two thousand feet came from originated so we want this do we want to move
it to that step where we put something on the T.V.
Or whatever so that people come in take
a look at that if you guys only make up or how do we want to I would buy that stuff
I would rather have. Well up in the goodness story let people.
Tell me that they supply their own Like I said you know it's a pretty close we put
a digital over here to look pretty close but pretty close does not cut it when
you're talking to somebody who says my property line is right here and you're
telling him it's over here. So no we're not talking about
a problem Romney one song has bugs on balls only what up there right you know right
so it's probably lies here it's residential next thing you know he's in commercial
and you know he's going to also I know he does it that's just that's my only just
take on it is that the people I don't want to tell people that that's all these
years I thought the line was here and it's not there anymore they had commercial
probably you know they got residential property ugly they don't have that they
thought they had that said to me that's. Asking for trouble but isn't it the way
now that. It's
a gray area so they think it's up to whoever issues are committed to make their
decision now running for the A R play and health law you know it's great or doesn't
it you know you know we may ask the applicant you think exactly the deal to prove
that you know but I'm your same in the community and I go I don't see
a fix one dot but I'm just saying it's going to create I want to make sure that if
a problem actually but it but it could create
a problem at the same time as trying to fix not create also did not make everything
I agree with you know not people could look at it and say hey close enough you know
there's three or four issues that come up. And then I did
a good three or four things to handle instead of twelve thousand and fifteen to.
No down yeah no I mean I've got no problem moving forward that's fine I'm just
saying that it's so I didn't like the committee because I saw this be
a problem. That I might have to live with in the town and I do it I would just like
somebody else to make those decisions rather than me telling people that their
property is not their way why I think technical for digitize it and says OK this is
where it is the what's happened that's where I want to go with the assessors are.
Assessing properties based upon the G.I.S.
Mapping which is consultants interpretation of our paper map Yeah exactly and so
the next step identify. Problems that well we talked about
a couple of different races we saw the first wave would be to try and develop the
discrepancies amongst the board which is going to be cumbersome The second way is
to advertise the heck out of it again back to the budget advertised. Let people
know we've got
a copy or several copies available in town hall for observing and
commenting on so that we can see where areas of concern might be.
But the problem that is could open itself up for you know I don't I don't see and I
don't see an easy fix so no there's not an easy fix. Those are probably the two
options that we talked about. If we wanted to spend some time with the public
based on them coming into the community development apartment and just notice the
looking at the map where things are wow I thought my backyard X. And Y.
If you had
a bunch of that would. The form for that be plenty work just have an informational
meeting to see what people say as opposed to an official public hearing you could
do that. I mean there's no set fast way to do this eventually we're going to have
to have
a public hearing I know that but for that first layer of to find the biggest problems
as Roy said could we somehow have an informational meeting here although we have to
get the word out to the citizenry that we're doing that right and not everybody
pays attention to everything. That's where the problem was our next town meeting
the admin right in May up until you were. There and it just really five
areas that problem. Using you probably about twenty four. With the
list of twenty four which we couldn't reproduce based upon our personality now
where they involve like one lot with
a several lives some of them particularly in the downtown area the line is sicker
than the property. But you know that's something you know well how do you make of
it how do you like all of that but I don't want it but I get some agenda time at
the annual meeting. Just for kicks to say the tempi Telecaster only but this is
this is what we're working on the planning board here is an example. Things we need
your feedback. And in
a month we're going to have this informational meeting we just encourage you to
come to the hall and look at this stuff I mean I'd be happy to take that minutes if
people I think one hundred just don't know what is in there and. What that goes out
seventy five people know who they work with to get it through you know but it's
a start anyway if it's not
a big issue it is something like you would actually have an article on there to
hear
a report from the Planning Board Jaron region random or relative to go off and then
just leave you know for
a host plan. What you think about that everybody that I make
a presentation at the town meeting just to alert people to just you know this is
only not about the Windows boxes the thing is that it has to be changed it has
never was you got all done right you know sure. When anybody have
a problem with that it's as our first step mom probably was. So how do I how do I
get out of the war. Of words the articles are due by March twenty eighth the draft
something else could you do that and then shoot me an email or something and when I
see you again we are at some point we could chat about it sure would hear reports
from the playing board relative to digitizing is something that be a theory not
a that's
a simple article it's not anything anybody has to vote out it's just you know
they're just to report and you make
a report saying that So what I mean is that. I think that's
a key and I'd like to do. It all the second anybody could do it or if. You
never get to do it it's just control of them thirty at night.
He's going to have
a forty three. I believe so far as I know because don't forget it's going to
require another public here you know mention that Katherine all just
a writer about. Before and I'll. Write anything else bill
but yeah well well let's go let's head over to here OK professional tactical It
sounds like you got to do something with the zoning that I think we're all about.
And want to save five thousand is what would Terri. Course cartographic us to work
on to make the modifications that develop as
a result of you know public hearings and who. Do those maps now think I may
start saying hey guys what are you doing you know you've carried this money for
three years you haven't used it. They may say that but you know.
I'll carry it five thousand to eighty I think is what we had We'll get an award for
Galaxy Yeah so we've That one I'll throw in the same five to five thousand to eight
thousand pizza for lunch. And I get think at a stitcher advertise you say
a thousand deaths. Well it would be for the subdivision rules are right for
July one of motivated to do thirty about right yes so if you think about the public
areas that we would pay for there is only related. To well in this subdivision it
rules and regs so we have that one. We have there's only damp we can do any more
with actor first stuff. I don't know we may i know they're looking at it.
But why would it just appeared that what are we going to talk about Thursday the
three of us going to be part of what OK about OK Also think of anything that was
only nature of my community potentially. Is that going to come up for.
There's
a few of those things that we talk about and the terms for developing the right
seven that when you think about. Low impact developments. We want
to roll all those to the one public here we residential compound residential
compound that's done through the roof right that's already in the zoning that's in
the zone the sorry community don't want to hear it and the one with the other thing
is already the zoning I think we will have to have
a public hearing actually under the rules direct yes you know to do that which
we're already sorry no brainer. So we did four different months at the
a thousand. I think that's very muddy to think about yes for different public
hearings yes. If necessary borrow it from
professional technical or Steve's cash Kitty transfer and I think the others were
just going to carry level funded. A lot of these weak level funds.
We do typically that's what we do but we've got this project. What did you not
spend in zero eight that you thought your on the other supplies. Or are
we about to spend put it on. What we usually handles out of and I can't give you
a good answer on it. It looks like you know no seven we spent thirty three dollars
in Kuwait we spent thirteen. Far and budgeting under no way.
We allowed to play within the lines in our budget here in the software. Or that can
probably be reduced. Or Harry what four hundred NOT didn't happen she hasn't spent
over one hundred. I don't know what other supplies is here with Marion A that many
pencils. You know we're going to cast
a little on going away all the pop sound. So I am high. But
we're going to now keep in mind when they say Love will find this really is
a courtesy for the accountant and
a friend called. Really. Level fund is just that bottle of wine right
liberals the total you know if we knock down other supplies and you're going to
increase advertise Right right that's
a liberation. So you know you can use some of your Any reason you seventy five
dollars right every time to. Advertise we're going to go to
a thousand you know was there was no it was nothing but I thought you know we said
oh yes I'm sorry that you know so it was zero it always you want some of that eight
hundred probably cover the advertising this year you know what I mean. Clearly
after thirteen thirty Yeah.
You you keep going to these well I'm looking for direction training education the
thousand dollars we didn't spend anything already well if we up our advertising
that's our Christmas you have. To buy. And of your.
You want to just take supplies down to zero is always. You know I mean if we leave
it the same we can always do
a transfer from one account to the other if we need another supplies right now what
are we doing on ours for we want to do a hundred or. Under have OK put down
a grand Fredricka. We've got
a grant for advertising one hundred for other supplies training and education sero
fifty dollars just keep coming in and of peace you need that for well that'll go to
conferences that is for when you go to conferences or seminars or that sort of
thing and we only spend nothing zip so I think we're here and last year I spent
fifty Let's let's say hundreds for that one like maybe three hundred or something.
Crazy. Or you're going well somebody might go I mean you know I think something
like there are always these conferences that come up right now I went to one
together copiers ago times you know times you might also want to. Let's say three
hundred for that one OK that would be six people at fifty bucks each or three
people hundred each. You know at least if there somebody wants to go to mass
regional plan here bottom line comes our way. If you do some memberships that's
pretty much C.L.R.
Easy for all of you. Yeah we all know that's still
a good thing on Coop. I mean some years we use the hours and so years we don't
so we're going to go oh it's so you know I don't currently they're offering to do
an evaluation of the Webster industrial Arsenal for free. They've done
a number of things this past year for us for free. They don't traffic holds the
free if we pay our dues if they have new dimension military they really keep on I
really think the Thousand and One for the Congress with. No use for the people you
know. They've done nothing for me. Nothing really you know.
Couple hours who's our who's our delegate after this OK. Well he is
again having
a walk this if everybody wants to know is in the Union Station and was told it was
not really how easy to get so why did they move so surrounded by barbel beautiful
view and a construction zone from you could take
a train right. So it's in they have moved officially moved the second floor to
Union Station where. My office is on the third floor Yeah sure let's just keep that
as it is built this looks a little weird when I did fluctuate
a little Maria calls them and gives an actual dollar zero zero she left
a messed up last year because you see zero seven was sixty eight hundred. Really
only budgeted to get that about thousand Yeah and you can see what I've already
spent because they don't know yet what it is she calls them and what do you think
it's going to be. Usually things don't go down. I would level funded them.
So if we put it in for next year I'd probably go with seventeen other. You know
ready or sutras. And people that Marvel Yeah. OK good nothing
OK thanks if you think I'll do
a little funding do you know yet if you're going to follow what you have left your
global. I have
a request I see that we go separately budget nor do we seem to have an accounting
for I don't like playing for you some town council that's low that's one of those
out there and I would go yes no technical What if you just cut you cut your own
budget you cut your own throat so to. Two thousand and eight when it's OK this with
a seven hundred twenty five bucks are now coming from knuckles and I think that was
far too graphic for paying for maps and stuff so our use of chemical fleet if you
put that question technical That's right but really my look at you know we haven't
used them fish year music while this you know I thought we did do
a bit but good point we had the only other twenty five bucks to date but they made
it all that much didn't know the question or might My question is I'd like to see
that singled out if we could I'd like to keep it I am glad we just said we do with
folks we like practice it but I'd like to track it just because every time we say
the form has to be approved like OK I'm still in the example of you time and again
you know sometimes I just think you don't. Need to you tell counsel but I don't
know how much more we are going to have to tell not this is ever to say
correct OK no idea if the applicant has to pay that's their business but if we're
using town council service just how much are we yes spending on their OK Oh look at
that about where you are. Because it was all lawyers who did that. I might
interpret that correctly. Or. You never get on.
That standing around or he's got one C.B.
Aid and we have
a bill that. Take care of it and the special permit from the quake. That
he can out at their imaginary.
Distance Yes. Anybody read the story that was in the Boston Globe for five days ago
about the lady survivor that it made it made it it was
a big story in The Globe and what Douglas I watched our program very very.
Delicately and I was just curious how the Globe writer was good at describing our
town and who he was going to talk to who are here he talked to somebody at Subway
somebody why be wary nobody had goodness nobody to goodness. He doesn't know what
he's talking about. The real story out there I watched him you know that's one of
the you get the real story that we were described as
a close knit community on the border of Connecticut and. We.
Were
a community of knitters that I think. She referred to us affectionately is.
The deaf you know OK. And there was one other reference to
a writer made about sexual preference to. Keep to. The way their doctor.
But did you did you think the tone of it was OK about this how no you're not the
old story or don't remember you know. You know T.V.
And everything it else read the book story. And did that with your paper too I read
was that the. Never say. What
he said about. But affection the less write back you.
Can make people do it some new sense and you don't. All right.
The Route sixty corridor study you guys all got this right. You are reacted
beholden to you know well this is you know the life ordered from over here yeah OK
Yeah Steve Wallace unseasonal page you have drafted sort of an outline. With
various recommendation Yeah they want to run it by the Play board the four you know
put it in the workforce. That's number one number two there's also an invoice I
think it's the final word that is there is if this movie started right again let's
cover OK Andrea Yeah you know I don't know if you want to hold off so this shows or
something well that's
a good point that in the ways that hold. Anybody have any reaction to this one way
or the other. Tell them to go for it. Because I'm right that pretty well remark he
. Respects take orders that he had never really broken through to the curb you get
the ball park. This is the result of all that. They want us to react to it before
they go for a formal just right. So they want to. David
a problem. Rather than.
Just cited and I don't know I only said that from a document is there seven grand
a start just hours pretty much pretty well. I don't think it's part of the freebie
over there by Webster I think you just kind of plug the area and stuff like that
and then yeah you know your program is going to churn out some standard numbers for
where footage number vehicle what you know. Where you go.
I think the census bill will just tell them it's five forty five everybody. So
clearly efficient or just.
Right early anything on the well here's what it is. Give us an address for us you
know it's. Three eighteen North-West mean Street which is on the river straight
down by the dam. It up with cuts increase right across the DIA
there by. The water Well I think it is the story before you see it.
There's
a dock right here and if they don't have the street numbers on them put the whole
thing in sure Sherlock. And. They got this code in right there
so I'm assuming it's right there at the end of the day I'm going to be for they
will surely have but we sure like you know. What's the number.
Three Keys I found for them here or is.
Considering. I know this camp. Or.
Was it I did
a lot of that money yes right it ranks right on the Washington State and the last
one before you get to the dam if you come Quest Means who does actually write one
other one all right on the point tonight if this is right next morning this one
failure is towards the. Face or hell on earth to know.
Which way to. Get. To.
Know if he's big should be
a PIA she's right next to Sion right. Steve
the guy goes to so he had
a skit at us yes just didn't get it he's right down here this is rather the big
trees were cut down here just within the year I think yeah that's all they had
a straight do you know they did it when it's not called it is OK so we're ready for
us to get an Asus one next to us just
a little room. Who did not know the mortar garage with all the firewood and that
would be I don't know OK I want to start on the road fifty nine fifty that's where
you could see it on the road blocks right on the road so when they want to do it
already certain to do so. On and on you're sure nice OK one fifteen but this is
what they want to go right up against requesting
a special permit pursuant to Section three point four point seven of that I was
only bylaws to demolish an existing cards and rebuild
a year round single family dwelling which will exceed the original footprint on
probably located and I recently just. Saw that's what they want to do want to tear
down which they're rebuilding year round home but it's not on the original
footprint so it's an expanded non-conforming that's what it's yeah yeah but it
doesn't get it doesn't give me any more specific details and yeah that's what
a lot of people want to do other residents Yeah it's all going to just don't we
look at that camp by taking off they go and. That water was pulled from the
reservoir you know there was in the water supply on the site of the sewer system
either Was it takes you know they're asking for it I think now to still have him
here in that you're right it shows a fight. I mean you got
a list of all you've got is a very what
a fight I'm going to accomplish here myself personally I mean some because he said
gruffly I want to sort of. I don't I don't I just don't know how much over the
footbridge they're going to doesn't I'm not fighting under control over the
footbridge. But I got to feel like going to work they're expensive. You got one
more. Yeah I mean I still don't really but you know I'm not getting
any. And I could be writing
a dimension should anybody ever feel one way or the other about it. Nation.
Don't want to put it the big one yeah I don't have
a half of yours. But the one who wants to. Take me. Took
out. Many many McMansion and we created this look like all the others to make
a mix of. Many Mansions just.
Low and very little in the air here is eight thousand seven hundred twelve square
free the French is this fifty the frontage is fifty eight point two four in that
the lot is one hundred feet deep.
And the size of the building built against all are going requirements and doesn't
meet site setback requirements on some I think mine doesn't you know it's a that's
a preexisting or for the purpose of course you know what it's going to make it more
known. In case it's
a nonconformity between the list just something that when I usually go bought one
for that. You really don't. Know what you're going to put on board
but it can recommend you know. It increases not take
it for read too much. Like.
This it shows. You something is easy to do is not just you really it's where. You
know you know that yes just like the music producer has this is what you get this
is this daughter line would be the original theme of their discipline this is what
.
All right also there are more last year I guess there's
a look at it but what you really know no matter. What the polls
that you have put such as you know. For somebody advice re opinion to the years
you'd be a good yeah as
a believer from the beginning. You would have turned on me and. All right
if you design want to go. Now I still want to buy and put
a summer tent there. But he doesn't want to pay with it only you know. I'm down
does the alternatives proposal conflict with the local comprehensive plan you.
Settle For what do you think about comprehensive. Coverage of
government run plan when you are well they asked about that has this letter to us
that. They've given political took but I don't think for alternatives
they just wanted you know alternatives. That project that Douglas is going to
conflict with any local coverage is
a plan that we have for all alternatives that's why he had the ability go down by
the Right down the right in renovating and yeah so it's pretty much done you're
right that they did it right there. I don't think it does and I said I'd
already did
a beautiful job of that billion lines and it is gorgeous unbelievable you know nice
job. It's good we got this list we did it for research and I think I've been asked
to just for info that are sort of more info on it's going to be used by the
handbook so I want to know what all that I'm putting in applications the actual
output OK you get
a little research. As I gave in my research and you know what you got is conferred
right yeah oh. Somebody rules and regs do we have any more
offhand that will get from you. That's what I think we've gone through the whole
raft of the body of the document the forms I've handed out previously which need to
be. Wiped off the pictures which is going to be very troubled but for instance.
This section six so required approved for street roadway did we go through all this
through and I believe we went through all that then seven is the one I don't think
we may have gone for this administration. But I'll come through Section five when
it's this nice dinner don't we put up with these for the moment yes. I don't have
a lot that's outstanding from something that he rules you know I just got
a first private solo to be pages on this they have written comments and they do
permit. From
a so. And. Well for that it
be fun. For Congress not the state from Federation of pleaded guilty to pretty much
go with these write it well we'll have to type of because we're not quite cookie
cutter right. So anybody Yes I would. Just mark
yeah that's what we have to do we've got
a school board if someone's going to go. To SO terms of this far if you see.
If you missed it we have to talk about. How much time you think we
should set aside. And should not look at the rules and regs before we move to.
A public hearing I mean can we do it in one or two hour chunks you know I think so
I think we're pretty solid OK. As you reflect on all the stuff we've talked about
with our subdivision rules and regs is there any. What do you anticipate more to be
the big issues that we're going to get off on others as they were called the
satellite. I mean I have a list of things that we've been going through. For
a walk have
a lot of them we've. Wrapped up but that had street that was one that we.
Did all agree on but were there any others that you can think of something simply
that. I know we we did not all agree on how much detail the polyphony every play.
Because we were afraid that if you load some were afraid to load that up too much
that people just skip it. Right and you end up or not. So
listen and so the detail of the preliminary plan was along the length of the
culdesac was about Were there any others that you could think of. When really no
history no. Play. With no way to compete.
Over right OK. Earlier Bill as you reflect apply to other Any something box
set. I know there were one or two that was. That it about but I thought I mean
during that well OK we're still waiting on
a couple things but I think the discussion pretty much ever go to surface on both
of you to make sure I think you can plug in to. Your We
talked about. I have
a stop to get four point two point click the last time. I get it it's five forty
one. Not this four point two point one.
Definitive I get writing all the way through six nine seven I don't have any
writing. Writing on seven. Writing
a. Seven day pass for I think you know I think you're right she says that you're
going to be to us and that's part of the problem.
So. I don't think we talked about this did I get
back to I thought. I don't have to go through several
several iterations to. He may not have gone through a lot of five or does
a say two thousand and seven dash Rebs at the bottom. Yeah OK yeah you know you
haven't gone through the Basically what that version is is taking your original
comments or phrasing them into the body here. So yeah.
If you have something which can cause them some gripes at the top Yeah that's been
good and I think we've been going through that. Right I want to first look at that
that's right and have that about why it was all the way that's right if you think
going through that and making it it's to that to see if I got it right and.
Far as far as you can tell for health for up to Section four right now for forty
three through over point two There are very well let's take our first look at her
OK everybody everybody OK with that. You know. Group will do this for you but.
That's the last that if we have it will be all be done so four point two point one
general. Is going to plan something for fifteen K.
If you look at that they have got to get organized serious about it we're going to
get over this is the one to look at it you know over three separate. And it thinks
I have to look at who's on first Avenue August seventh I don't know that's good
what's on second I don't know I don't know is out there I don't know. If the. First
place we all feel good. OK So for every one
general any questions are coming from this one.
OK We're going to go with that. Four point two point one what's this general.
Newcomer knew was the definitive player sit should conform
substantially. And you have shall soon see that's what it originally said Roy
your list changed to do it. At work. Quickly.
And I think the problem is that you are not the problem but the reason is that.
They're going to play this it's got to linearity and after discussion.
It may be a change states go with a company with
a good fit it might be it might be somewhat. So it makes for
a very planned if you're going to plan your. Get away takes away for you why you do
that and would like. To change due to poor preliminary.
Because it is. Under the preliminary you're not going to get
denied as you would under the Food and. Not Steal for all reason to do it
so as you do for me I would think I'd want to develop my propriety limited.
And I as
a developer you want the accurate information just so in the end I've got my
definitive one I think that's the hope but things may change that. It
might be
a bit different from various At least. OK sure gives out most of the freedom to
develop for a limited plan at
a lesser level to be able to have communication about that with the planning board
if it shall. Conform. Substantially substantially in safe you know
substantially distil that that catch your old term and right they both have. That
shelters it should I think. So.
Should just give them
a little water even I think very. Hard.
But I understand
a lot of opera words problems come from terms like should and
substantially. And we're always for some time rather we always
wrestle with the sure doesn't stand substantially. Anything for the if it comes.
I disagree but what that means is it warns of great thank you as the deep here
comes up to fill in the details. It's like zero tolerance it's like
zero do for continuous improvement. Every time one of these problems
can drop you fix it that problem will never come up again now but one
problem very simply put it on like to most likely will come up very similar but
that one won't. Be if you keep it if you constantly keep
those vague terms in there don't all come up again.
I wouldn't know how you would use any of it. Or create. Any other
listing issues that could replace something like substantially in this case.
Because just as soon as you do some other issue war item will come out that is an
include the right list and then you have no way of. Judging the job on that or
judge you for playing we do have
a way because if you it could be that if it isn't mentioned in the not allow.
Let's leave it it should be OK fine I I'm used to talking to trees that's OK You
know they can go back some time to. Reason that they're worried you should be
worried that day let's go to court to Q Finally much the trees all come to light.
Because I just scanned that anybody who saw it I don't know know I'm in
a lot of it all the faces and the truth is of the revised version but the Lord Of
The Rings. Want to Rick see. So I just get four point two two really covers the
questions anybody want to politicize. Which was one of the why. There
is. Well. I had to pull said.
Living by the yeah I have to twenty two when you really about these
you know you still need twenty to. Twenty two you know you get that I mean if
you're all you know thinking you know why they don't know you got it's like. No
actually you know we really believe that every dollar we did we did it was going to
show you know. Seven here alone in the. Five hundred
variations of police incentive call the departure of the bombers going to fire
police you know if I am going to join us you know so like me and you but we're only
going to send them to reduced on stuff that's very limited that's why you know
those are reduced to what it yeah it's just full size one after bound copies it
should say current the sea level and inches by eighteen inches. Of snowfall
here he was full size and out into
a full size of twenty. You know two full size and twenty two
a little. Actually yeah it might be old and I had two full size and twenty Yeah
that's twenty two altogether that's twenty two correct. Twenty two OK
to full size and twenty a lot of buy eighteen totals
a total of twenty two. And I had twenty two Anybody born but thirty six
a book for this use. And those to be saving those trees that you brought through
the use those are the ones that talk back. Here.
OK Anybody else. Anything with that number one issue scanned through A.B.C.
And so on. We had any problems with this. Part of it no Paul coughing
no actually people prefer that way. Let me just read this again. Two full
sized privacy twenty four inch by thirty six inch and twenty reduced size of the
seal of an inch of my eighteen inch actually flown by the came with half size yes
twelve by eight hundred individually by all copies of the file. OK you got that.
So as we look through A.B.C. D.E.F.
That's pretty pretty standard lawyer.
I'm pretty good with Oh. Yeah. Well you just go into the
letters right write down what we've done over. The.
Kid. Get out of everything.
This is what we're doing now currently Bill. Prefer the N.R.C.
You know that these are what was in our policy and people have complied with it so
. And R.C.S.
. Yeah stands for. Yes the research very good to watch reading.
It's not at all it says National I have
a friend what is it it's natural natural Are you sure draw resource conservation
and R.C.S.
Makes sense that your resources department of natural resources to feel very good.
If it was a twenty. Course it was just a sense. To everyone who enter C.S.
And. Already but he also so I guess number three is actually saying.
You know we. Get on with really well let's just we're not down to number two we
have to jump to three we're back on H H I J K Yeah everybody good Any questions are
no. There's no P.
And Q We're doing. All right so number two after case you can see these are
fee schedules free career well pretty happy was the only thing that's really
changed is we require five dollars. Per bought or it stayed for mailing
and I think the certified mail it fosters above that no doubt it changed the
schedule of simply by moving the ball over their site all really should see it try
to think about doing things like that's the only thing that I can think will really
need to think about acne poised. Closely five dollars and change for
a bottle OK so if you get
a lease that what you what you have to pay you know we should be paying
a fee schedules us five dollars for
a bottle you know when we get into things that are on Earth and we dress that way
to get something sexy to have changed again she was. Right
anybody also number two that we have to get these. So we may have to think about
a public here if we want to get you know something I have
a know number to draw on J.
List waiver for. And without waivers has on
Page Section four one four. One four
Cast service waiver list from definitive plan requirements and explanation of
how the Green Team know the way it would be in
a fog good interest circuits in its demonstrate how the something vision could be
built without any way this from the definitive one. That's where we wanted to.
Would not I should try to turn here but we talked about with the disk in
a different plane and it. Handing in the non waiver would look like you know where
did we not have this down yet and yes in the prelim it's in for one for OK or one
for what or who won for us.
OK. Yeah before you ask.
Too many could agree with.
You talk about J.
. List of waivers requests. What's your question or what would you like to
see. Them say.
Who. Agree with or one for us which
is the same thing list of ways or you know explain how it's in of public interest
attacks be the same and go there. Is reasonable Yeah.
You took a text of the earlier ones I don't think you need
a license so demonstrate how the subdivision could be built. In
a definitive because you've already done that they may not have done it. For you to
marry them a good point if they did your career. Without a waiver from that is
a really good point. If any else up
through number two. If you talk about the. Reviews
that say freezy.
OK Very good we have application fees maybe that leader. Number three the
sizing bill is that redundant it is I say let's get rid of three altogether so no
more get up to the top Are you sure. Because three talks about the drawings
and just the drawings whereas. Items eight through K.
Are
a lot of reports which you wouldn't want to do reports of size. So I think
you know I think maybe the twenty two thousand copies of probably correct there you
know have any reference to. The Y.C.
I said and. Because you know yeah you know plans
a lot of them are plans and help and they march right because I question that I
don't care so I think you said is there
a place where the doors up and I know they just kept getting worked out I figured
out they're talking different types of things and then put the. Q.
And A twenty three yes. To both sets of twenty reduce the I got twenty two
again listed you might get one to be quite
a bump but twenty two we have the reason we came up with twenty two
a total according to. Says two full size engineering drawings and twenty two
reduced right eleven by just change twenty to twenty you know added to the two
people so I don't really have
a total twenty two right but it not something I'm saying is twenty two full size
are for office use but what we do is we keep
a record file and we mark up the other stuff so give them back to the other one and
all. Those are in your house and that basically picks dirt. And then all the
others and I have to really think about it again I think because I think that's why
we don't get twenty two because we came all these one by you did but two of those
twenty two I thought you would see that the two full size it would take care of you
guys your office. Right rest went to the board other departments Deller right
but I'd have to think about it come up with the twenty two but I know we went
through it when I was at it why we came up with twenty two women I don't know I
know we did it was
a review but I thought the two plus twenty maybe twenty you know I was twenty
because we counted I mean we got them all up in
a game ought to be twenty four that we actually needed if we wanted to distribute
one piece of it all right. So I think it should stay at twenty two I would welcome
people die sometime. OK so that's that
observation Mark made. About that the top cloud was different
yes OK yes. Right anybody else no number three two full size
OK or two pound coffee. OK with everybody of the stamp and data store
a venture capital
a chanst like that from Section four point two point three point high point.
Which is the one that's. To look back there you'll find that or three.
Point two that I looked at that I said they don't even talk about that yet so
whatever I just said give me those numbers again please if you think I am right for
two three I am or four point two point three I am.
Right along. Right here right and here is them
a story that you are you yeah. All right then how about the
paragraph after yourself I deliver your reporters real questions on that is that
how we do it now yes no problems with that OK.
OK let's do four point two point three. And then we're going to wrap up. The full
weight of it I think they're going to. Look at this.
Right you. Just want to be sure. In one thousand nine hundred for the.
Updated subdivision
a troll laws so now you you cannot submit stuff to the Town Clerk it's not legal.
It must be submitted submission of subdivision plans is to be made at
a planning board meeting or registered mail to the playing board. Where you get
you know what that's news to me Chapter one sixty nine of the Act of one thousand
nine hundred four. Is
a. Clerk and more legally remove passes to build up when you do good as
in the clock stuff and for reasons. I don't trust what she says is that still has
affected areas of the C.D.'s you know why she stayed in the thirteen years ago last
. Year and what we stand for. And would say we boy
after the. Fact that I could write. OK
so the wordy there are four point two point three is that OK as this doesn't talk
a lot of time corkage doesn't. It's after the time clock time clocks in the
paragraph Oh OK So look at that chapter what was it one sixty nine
after one sixth of the acts of war. Of the general lottery or general of.
I'm sure it's got cold to fight under the control of our big Should me how do you
know right from the general why you sort of Crackerjack that you get to sleep right
here if you finish the dictionary so we start in on that. Occasion What are you
going to everybody says the words just cover sheet if you really need
a life I haven't. Really seen that cover he revealed he has already started and I
just have to get the right tree. You keep looking good because
a lot of you still OK what the cut
a lot of. The front of your screen there thank God are you going to go around and
talk on the US or league I think that's
a yeah no no no it's reason they're not talking to me. This really goes on let's
see what you take if you know your day so you know I'm not going to get anything
for the board no right Oh Sir David thank you for what you built
you just want to mention So everyone is aware we did have some mylars over there
that worked for you to be signed to my arsehole such as he signed.
The company and was not signed by the out what to do with him for this group did he
never agree skates. And co-counsel has some issues with some of the languages
Eastman's to so still. Maybe just maybe next day OK thing else he's aware of that
you know. I'm all for science like all for that's why I thought I was right always
say Yeah OK guys I saw him sitting and i told me to stick around you know we could
try to get him. Mark.
Motion to adjourn it is almost
a security guy gave it favor. They
can carry to be cured if not fifty. Fake everybody.
Else. Seventy two weeks right check us out if they want to.